i tend to go into everything in general expectation-less, and it almost always works out well, if not an "oh well ill do this part diffrent next time" kinda feeling afterwards
At first it will be mostly expected because she hasn't grown into being fully independent from your beliefs and thoughts yet
You could also be predicting her thoughts though
those are both expected early on, you are sharing a brain, so that prediction is pretty much hearing her think. we both sometimes still hear the other think while we're talking so
like i know what her personality is 'supposed' to be but just because she acts out of character doesnt necessarily mean its not her because i dont think shes at the stage yet of being consistent in personality
12:36 AM
her personality fluctuates and im trying to guide it toward a happy medium
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12:37 AM
i cant sit down and describe her personality to her though bc for some reason i struggle with thinking of ways to describe the traits
Blanka tried to surprise me last night, we were walking through an imaginary space and she tried to come up with a "next room" that I didn't know about beforehand
12:37 AM
it didn't work
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because I could see her thought process
12:37 AM
that separation was something she used to have
12:38 AM
she might get it back someday, but I attributed the choice to her, and we moved on
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i cant sit down and describe her personality to her though bc for some reason i struggle with thinking of ways to describe the traits
and this is ok too--if you struggle with describing it, can you at least filter things based on "yes/no" for whether or not it follows the personality?
our thoughts tend to blend if we're focusing heavily on something, unless its a consitient thing now maybe its just the focus of trying to create an eviroment?
its more like sometimes she feels flatter than other times
12:39 AM
like sometimes shell have depth of personality and sometimes she just wont
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our thoughts tend to blend if we're focusing heavily on something, unless its a consitient thing now maybe its just the focus of trying to create an eviroment?
yeah, she initiated the process--I was having anxiety about going back to work in the morning, and she distracted me by "going for a walk"--but generating the next room in any detail was done in a way that I could "see it happening," for lack of a better language to describe this stuff in lol
12:40 AM
but still, the fact that there was a next room and where we went was initiated by her--which is just an attribution process, it's all ultimately the same "imagination machine" in the back of my head
i should do that exercise again where i try to get her to do a train of thought. shes terrible at it but maybe with practice shell be able to narrate to me eventually
12:41 AM
i guess i probably have to narrate more trains of thought to her so she has more examples to work with but
i think part of my impatience is that my end goal is switching. mostly because i feel like i owe her that? so if progress doesnt feel like its being made its hard to be happy with what i have, though it might be easier for me to feel satisfied once shes a better conversation partner and not just. kind of a brick wall
12:44 AM
like i feel like she deserves the usage of the body, so thats what im eventually building up to
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which i know is waaaay out in the future id just like to be taking steady steps toward it
i thought of all oddities as natural and logical when i started and i think thats what lead to super fast development
7:25 AM
repeating my words means learning to speak, not saying anything means not having any strong opinions yet or just not feeling like talking, knowing what she will say means we share a brain and thats just what happens
7:26 AM
on the other hand i hadnt read any guides apart from one guide by reguile from 2020 i think so i didnt really have any expectations on anything
7:27 AM
i kinda threw away all the stuff i had heard about tulpa stuff years before from the age of hour counts because i thought it was just outdated(edited)
7:28 AM
switching also felt like me acting like her but i thought that was how it was and that it would get better, and it mostly did
7:30 AM
i also think talking out loud to each other is a good trick to learn possession/switching, you just let yourself blurt out anything that happens to come out
her personality isnt awfully consistent yet either so i cant use "is it ooc" as a metric
@the alt account in question - jump
Would you say yours is? Because things like that can transfer
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i think part of my impatience is that my end goal is switching. mostly because i feel like i owe her that? so if progress doesnt feel like its being made its hard to be happy with what i have, though it might be easier for me to feel satisfied once shes a better conversation partner and not just. kind of a brick wall
I don't think it's a bad thing if you take your time. It took me 10 months before I achieved the switching I wanted.
Since your tulpa is so young, there is still plenty of time for you to learn switching by accident. A lot of people just seem to get it or figure it out on their own these days
managed ~13 mins again (some narration at the beginning, mostly exploration), but i got really distracted a few times. might have been the first instance of her creating an object, my mind wandered and then there was suddenly a motorcycle and i dont know if that was just a consequence of my mind wandering or if it was her creating an object on her own. because sometimes when my mind wanders the image breaks down or i 'hear' shit she definitely wouldnt say
11:50 PM
at the start i tried to get her to narrate but i felt what was either me parroting or her copying off of my thoughts. i dont know whats making her feel like she has to copy off of my thoughts, maybe it was the pressure to think quickly (which shes not good at) so maybe under that pressure she just ended up copying me under duress
if it's pressure, maybe try a "mailbox" approach to soliciting her thoughts--so, ask her a question, but with the explicit agreement that she'll get back to you when she's ready. If she gets back to you immediately, file it under "maybe," and leave the conversation topic--she might bring it up again later, she might not, either way, getting that agreement up front may help her feel more confident in her answers
shes usually okay about answering and she just doesnt answer if she doesnt have a response, i just tried to get her to start talking and then keep going and while she was doing that i noticed her directly copy some of my thoughts about what she was saying so i guess she either got confused because shes young and not very independent or just couldnt keep it up on her own(edited)
shes best with one word answers and such so i feel like these exercises are probably way out of her wheelhouse at the moment i just feel like maybe if i keep pushing her shell improve
12:01 AM
hard to tell if im pushing too hard or not hard enough
tried to ask if i was pushing her too hard and i think she said "kinda". (again i still have trouble telling if im just 'madlibbing' the gaps in the conversation)
12:04 AM
also i should mention, today i practiced without the tone. i got distracted more than last time but there was also kind of less going on? so i cant tell if the tone was helping me focus or if i just wasnt having as easy of a time focusing on the setting i created that time
i had a harder time 'spacing out' this time like i did before i visualized last time, so maybe i just didnt space out long enough this time. that could be it too
well ok
to any other beginners reading the above thinking it is the way of doing it: no you shouldn't space out, dissociate or things like that during forcing a tulpa. when people space out they can lose sense of self, which will also affect their tulpa they are trying to work on, that undermines your tulpamancy practice because forming a tulpa is the opposite of that
it also carries the risk of you just learning to space out more and more, which you might lose control over at some point
Again my unsolicited advice for your party would be to try more passive forcing over active. I think it could possibly help solve some of the issues you are having
Leiko
well ok
to any other beginners reading the above thinking it is the way of doing it: no you shouldn't space out, dissociate or things like that during forcing a tulpa. when people space out they can lose sense of self, which will also affect their tulpa they are trying to work on, that undermines your tulpamancy practice because forming a tulpa is the opposite of that
it also carries the risk of you just learning to space out more and more, which you might lose control over at some point
sorry for the late reply but. its like. not dissociation, closer to meditation? its like. instead of thinking of nothing, i just let ambient, 'generated' thoughts pass through my mind, forgetting them as soon as they pass. if i do that, i can relax my body properly without trying to force myself to think of nothing at all (which i cant do. adhd) so it puts me in a better position to force because ill be relaxed
2:58 AM
this time i didnt let my body and mind relax completely before i started. so i wasnt starting from as clean of a slate as last time, so to speak
3:00 AM
but yeah. no im not dissociating or doing anything dangerous
omg I'm so happy I'd like to thank my dog, my parents (I don't have parents), and the tornado which almost touched down near our apartment a few weeks ago
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Congratulations to @blanka's Blanka who achieved switching in, like, 2minutes
Luminesce: Same here!! Where's our certificate?(edited)
5:22 PM
My tulpas were already 4+ years old when we first learned switching was a thing, but simply hearing it was a thing was enough and we did it as soon as we decided to try
Luminesce: While it's possible for an experience to not qualify as switching, people get a little trigger-happy gatekeeping since not everyone's switching is the same(edited)
5:31 PM
As always with tulpamancy, there's not an actual solid pre-existing track to fall into
5:31 PM
The experiences you have are always custom-forged
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
certificates are for people that achieved switching after i talked to them!
if you want a certificate you need to unlearn switching first (edited)
Luminesce: All the guidance in the .info community is not "Here's the exact thing that's possible", it's "Here are some of the infinite things that are possible, that we all more or less agreed are great and worth leading others to"(edited)
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